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(no subject) [Aug. 6th, 2007|03:05 pm]
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shoindiematrix
What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

Heck, I'll be blunt. I've had my problems at home, than I ever had at my job. I worked at an elementary school and wore all black and a leather jacket, nine times out of ten. As far as sacrifices, it's been rare. It's like I'd wear some of my least favorite items, simply because I was pressured into 'not wearing black all the time'. Sadly, the job isn't so gothy. I work as a substitute teacher at an elementary school. The kids really enjoy me being as I am, because I'm confident in it. What's so funny is that the kindergarteners really love my leather jacket and my clothes. One even told me that they thought I was weird to begin with, but now, I was really cool.

I want to end up being a psychologist. I don't want to end up looking stuffy, so I'm hoping that looking a bit fantastical will really open folks up. Well, that, and I want to dress how I choose.
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(no subject) [Jul. 24th, 2007|10:14 am]
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kat1031
What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

I've gone back and forth over the course of my career. I've worked for very large companies that were strict on dress and appearance. I'm currently happy to be at a fantastic, small company that thinks my blue hair and monochrome wardrobe are cool.

I've never had a particularly "gothy" job - but like many other PiBs, I do IT. I love what I do, I love the company I work for and I don't anticipate changing that for a while.

The long-term (extremely long-term, alas) goal is to open a luxury hotel.
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Work stuffs. [Jul. 2nd, 2007|02:10 am]
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skeletaldisease
[mood |boredbored]
[music |Battery - Hush]

What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

Right now, I work at Panda Express. If it's not in your area it's basically this Chinese fast food place that pretends to be part of this high class strict company, but it's run by illegal immigrants and some of the food isn't really even cooked, just heated in the microwave. On the flipside, they pay pretty damn good for fast food. ANYWAY...

I've been careful about what I wear when I go talk to my boss. (However, once I did accidentally show up in my usual black coverings and she paid no mind, even though I'm her least favorite employee.) Despite the dorky-looking uniform, some personal style is still reflected, as I'm still allowed to wear my rings, nose-ring, bracelets, and occasionally nail polish. (I keep my pentacle necklace out of sight though.) One of my shift leaders wore black nail polish and her own nose-ring, she can be pretty high and mighty too even though she's not my real boss, and other coworker's Myspace profiles seem to be on the "darker" side so to speak, so I don't think it's such a big deal to them.

I plan to go into webmastering and graphic design, which may likely revolve around fashion, fetish or darker-occult themed products. (Hell, maybe all three if I can handle it. >:P) Since my boyfriend is also a computer-programming nerd, it's likely we'll do something together, as we share a common lifestyle, taste in music, and spirituality. Seems like once the ball got rolling we'd rake in the cash, as well as start a long-term project that'd help our already-immensely strong bond. Oh yeah, then we may finally release our gothgothgothyness without having to worry about pissing off any big boss. >:P
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(no subject) [Jun. 29th, 2007|03:15 pm]
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youve_lost
What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

I started out working at a local grocery store where the manager would not even start the interview with me until I took out my lip ring and pulled my bright red hair out of my face. I knew this was going to be hell right off the bat. I could only where plain shirts under my maroon colored work smock and black or beige pants. No jeans, no skirts, no sneakers, no boots, no unnatural hair colors. I could wear my lip retainer so long as I wasnt caught by management. After I got my nose pierced, I was forced to wear a band aid over my nose at all times. I only lasted six months.

Next I moved onto a slightly more forgiving job. I now am seven months into working in a children's clothing store called Justice. I havent pushed the unnatural hair policy yet, but the management gave up on having me take out my nose and lip ring (mostly because the assistant manager that was there when I started had a chest piece tattoo and a few others that showed). I mostly wear whatever I want, so long as it isnt inappropriate and everything most fit correctly (nothing baggy), isnt inappropriately themed or another clothing brand (there goes my "I fuck to hardcore" shirt), and is clean. So my long flowing black skirts, my piercings, my recently added foot tattoo, dying my hair different natural colors every few weeks, and my bright make up can stay. The kids love me because my make up is always bright and obnoxious colors and I help them pick out clothes depending on what they like (not what I like or what the company wants us to push, like some of the girls at my work do). So right now, I'm fairly happy (other than the lack of hours and the minimum wage).

Starting in the fall, I will begin my studies in college under a theatre major. It has been my dream to be on stage for quite some time now, so thankfully I will be able to wear whatever I want up until the shows for any production I'm in.
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IMPORTANT: Reporting online predators [Jun. 29th, 2007|12:34 pm]
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ladylucretia
Not long ago someone posted a link on a humor community I'm a member of. It was a link to a Myspace page for the "Rookwood Gothic Society" run by a 22 year old man calling himself "Luna." At first it seemed like a ploy for a lonely, homely guy to use the pretense of an intellectual gothic society to get attention from women. But then after reading the rules for membership in his society, I saw that he claimed that all members were required to have sex with him. And then I saw that one of the "members" was listed as being a 13 year old girl.

The whole thing made me feel highly uneasy. I didn't know if he was actually having sex with the girl or what, but his sexual interest in young girls was so blatantly stated that I somewhat assumed that someone else must have reported him by now. But, just to be safe, I sent links to his website to the police in his area. I took screen shots of his site and saved pictures of him in case he deleted it and sent those to the police as well. Then I did a few google searches on his username, and found that he had been banned from multiple websites and forums for asking young girls to send him sexually explicit videos. I found a picture on his myspace of a young looking girl in lingerie with the caption "Admit it, you'd go to jail for this." I sent all of it to the police.

I didn't think that anything would come of it because all the evidence I sent in was circumstantial. But the more I learned about him the more uneasy and concerned I felt, and I was crossing my fingers that my basic internet research would be enough of a starting point for an investigation.

Well, it was. I received an email from the police yesterday saying they had made an arrest and asking for my phone number so that they could take my statement. I almost couldn't believe that they had taken it seriously, that my 30 minutes worth of online research had led to an arrest. But it did.

I am not looking to be lauded as a hero. I am only posting this because I want everyone to know that if they see something like this online, REPORT IT. Don't assume that someone else will, or that it's none of your business, or that you have no obligation to do anything. A simple series of google searches and some emails was all it took, and that's something anyone is capable of. Whether it's someone threatening violence, or soliciting minors for sex, or selling drugs, if it strikes you as potentially illegal than it is better to be safe than sorry.

Here are two news articles about the arrest. The second one says that the police were initially contacted by the 13 year old girl, which may be true, but judging from content on her webpage the investigation came as a surprise to her and so it may be an error.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,,21956545-5001021,00.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/gothic-fan-groomed-teen-for-sex/2007/06/25/1182623820425.html

Please repost this as you see necessary. As members of the gothic community we are in a prime position to report this sort of abuse of the gothic label, and I urge all of you to keep an eye out for suspicious online behavior.
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(no subject) [Jun. 29th, 2007|09:07 am]
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rayna_sabine
[mood |contentcontent]

What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

Workwise I was lucky for awhile, I worked in a warehouse and Value Village before that, and neither place really cared about how goth I was at work. In fact it landed me the position of Head of Hallowe'en at Value Village; I was on tv 3-4 times because "you seem to like this Hallowe'en stuff"

But neither job paid very well, nor did they have much of a future. I applied and was hired at an Optical place. I had to remove my marilyn piercing as wearing it was out of the question and a retainer was fairly obvious. My septum piercing though I have kept, it was easier to hide.

My hair is still black, short and severe, as I love it. I can't have my dreadfalls woven in, but I can live comfortably with that. Perhaps I'll have them made into a wig for the weekends.

No more crinolines at work, nor slips, band t-shirts or spiked jewelry. I have traded it for pinstripes and suits. I can still be corporate goth, I just can't be overtly so, most of our clients are seniors.

But the job is worth it; in the end I'll be able to buy all the things I always wanted, ok well most of them. Including that Victorian house I've always wanted, and I'll be able to decorate in a most spooky manner. So the sacrifice of one piercing and some clothes (which now just get worn after work) seems pretty tolerable when one looks at the future.
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(no subject) [Jun. 29th, 2007|09:56 am]
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ladylucretia
What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

I've never had issues with an employer because of my personal style. In high school I was a camp counselor, supermarket cashier, and an assistant in a law office. I could wear pretty much whatever I wanted to all of them, including the law office because it was my father's office. I had purple hair in the office and no one cared because I was just doing photocopies and filing and stuff. I did get yelled at once for wearing ripped up skater shorts and a cut up tshirt, but I deserved it.

In college I got an on-campus job at a tutoring center and was eventually promoted to management. Since it was on-campus at a very liberal university, I could wear whatever I wanted - torn concert Ts with big lacy skirts and docs, velvet gowns, you name it. Some of my supervisors even went out of their way to compliment my style.

However, my feelings about being the token goth in the workplace shifted around junior year. As a manager I felt like it wasn't fully appropriate to be wearing torn fishnets to meetings with the employees I was supervising. I also got a job as a teacher's assistant where I'd present lectures to the class, and I wanted their attention on my lecture and not my wardrobe. I took a summer job as a camp counselor in a very fiercely Italian neighborhood where yuppies were considered dangerous outsiders, nevermind goths! That was the first time I went out and purposefully bought denim skirts and colored tops. I didn't hide the dozen or so piercings in my ears and face, but I did dress much more "normal." The boss was awful and hassled us constantly anyway so I can't imagine what it would have been like if I came in gothed out everyday.

After that I really became a more serious student and wanted to focus on learning, not on being a one woman fashion show every day. I never felt discriminated against in the classroom due to my appearance, but I definitely felt stereotyped in an innocuous and expected way. With a septum and lip ring, no one assumed I was a serious student - I had to prove it to them. I got tired of having to fight against people's expectations. I started dressing a bit more "corporate goth" - still a lot of black, but much more subdued. Honestly it made me feel more comfortable not having to worry about endless "so are you a goth" type questions, whether they were being asked directly or silently.

Now I work in medical research coordinating stroke studies. I guess I dress pretty damn normal at work. I still think I look cute in my white eyelet skirt and polo shirt, even if I do blend in more and it's not something I'd choose to wear on the weekend. At this point in my life the last thing on my mind is losing or gaining goth points. I'd much rather be taken seriously at my job. At best, goths become the office in-joke, and some people are ok with that but I want the focus completely on my quality of work. My career is much more important to me than the goth scene, as I think it should be! I help run a goth night and am active in the scene, but for me it's a fun hobby, not something that necessarily has to bleed over into every aspect of my life.

In the future I hope to get my Ph.D. in Neuropsychology and work in a university conducting my own original research. At that point I'll probably be able to get away with a lot since hopefully I'd be running my own lab. But I'll still need to look like a doctor, so I don't know that I'll suddenly bust out the velvet and fishnets. All that said, it's amazing what a long lab coat can cover up :).
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Goth in the Workplace [Jun. 28th, 2007|09:46 pm]
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mina5643
[music |Dead Can Dance - Tristan]

Regarding the workplace, I've had mixed reactions to my interests. Wheras a few coworkers shrug it off and simply attribute it to youth, or whatever, I've actually had issues with past coworkers giving me light harrassment regarding my choice of clothes and styles. Needless to say, I'm glad to be moving away from this job in the next month.

I've only had this one job, so I don't have many experiences to compare.

However, my dream job already incorporates the goth subculture to some extent. I plan on being self-employed someday, making things for money (novels, comics, paintings, clothes, etc.), and much of that corresponds to my interests which include gothiness.

I do wish that now and then companies would encourage self-expression through clothes and make-up. However, usually allowing self-expression ends up being a bunch of kids wearing street clothes. Sigh.

Done musing!
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(no subject) [Jun. 28th, 2007|07:46 pm]
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lady_astrocat
[mood |calmcalm]
[music |HYDE - "Faith"]

What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

I work in the lingerie department of a somewhat upscale department store, so I'm limited as far as appearance goes - I can't have any unnaturally colored hair or wear anything too "strange". No visible tattoos and no piercings other than earlobes. I love wearing long, flowing skirts, though, and I can get away with a bit of dark make-up. But all in all, I have to tone myself down a lot so that I don't upset the store's customers (i.e. mostly older ladies). Living in a highly conservative rural town is hard on the gothy lifestyle.

What I'd really love is a job that would utilize my art degree, perhaps at a college or university (I'm working on that one). Of course, right now I'd just be satisfied to have something outside of retail/customer service...
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(no subject) [Jun. 29th, 2007|08:38 am]
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conjuringpulse
What conflicts have you had because of your lifestyle? Have you had to make any gothy sacrifices for your career/job, or is your workplace very accepting of who you are? Is your job oriented around anything gothy? Finally, what sort of job would you possibly enjoy having that incorporates things you enjoy such as the gothic subculture?

Things are pretty good for me at work.. Although I tend not to go too full on (I don't wear make up at work) I can get away with pretty much anything else as long as it's not offensive. Jewelery, a few (subtle) piercings.. Mohawk.. plus of course the almost entirely black wardrobe. boots are fine too, although I usually wear them under my trousers anyway so you'd barely notice them.. I'm also able to keep up posters for shows my band is playing, pieces of gothish artwork & photography etc..

I'm quite fortunate that although I work for a Government dept, I work with a pretty laid-back bunch of people. My team of 15 all fall within the ages of 22 and 32 (apart from a couple in the 45+ bracket, heh), and even our CEO has three kids who are all about the same age as I am and play in bands etc so he's quite familiar with out-of-the-norm youngans. I also get to take time out when I need to go and play gigs etc, so they're really good that way too.

The job? I work for a Career Information website, doing a bit of design and development behind the scenes, as well as the up front content development - lots of research, writing and photography, and occasionally have to go out and interview people working in different occupations to be profiled for the site. This part of it often involves dressing up a bit more formally, but it's not something I do a hell of a lot of. Overall.. things are pretty good.

I'm not sure what I'd like to do that would be more incorporating-of-the-goth-subculture, apart from doing the band(s) full time.. But at this stage I like the stable income of a 9-5 too much, especially as this particular 9-5 isn't too much of a sacrifice!
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