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Gothology: The Science of Goth

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Pondering [Dec. 20th, 2007|07:47 pm]
Gothology

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[sathanil]
[mood |contemplativecontemplative]
[music |Voltaire - Ex Lover's Lover]

So, after having an interesting conversation (yelling across a bookstore to my ex who was giving me shit for reading Gothic Beauty) I got to thinking...

What is goth?

To be honest, there are sooo many types. You have deathrock, gravers, neogoths, rivets (don't argue, they are lumped into goth as well), romantigoths, victorian goths, vampire goths, cyber goths, etc... The list goes on.

The odd thing is how so many people who fall into these will defend to the death that their style of goth is the "only true goth" and that all others are in no way, shape, or form, goth... Deathrockers will claim that goth is dead and no one these days listens to REAL goth. Anything with electronics meshed in is considered techno, or the like. Neo-goths and gravers will say that all the old stuff was just 80's music and not really goth. Then the goths who listen to only ambient music will say that all the other music is too upbeat to be goth...

It is really quite ridiculous how much squabbling there is withing the scene. You would figure that with so many people against us, we might find some way to accept our goth brothers and sisters. But no... Are we that accepting? No...

Alas, it seems that we will all have constant struggles with other goths and most of us shall forever have the "gother than thou" mentality. *sigh*

It seems that for most of us, we shall never exceed the cliquish mentality of most high school students.

-Spookyboi

(BTW, I'm Spookyboi. Just joined and thought I'd throw this in. )
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[User Picture]From: madame_corbeau
2007-12-21 08:52 am (UTC)

Alas, it seems that we will all have constant struggles with other goths and most of us shall forever have the "gother than thou" mentality.


hehe, yeah that's me! =P
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[User Picture]From: spangle_kitten
2007-12-21 09:57 am (UTC)
Me too...forever a tortured poet...

I think that most people start off in goth as a bit of a poncy prat, (I know I did ;) and get quite posessive about their strain of goth being the "one true goth", and some people never do grow up though I think that's down to a certain level of insecurity and the need to belong.

After you've knocked around the scene for a long time you realise that we're all poncy prats, but there is a fundamental difference in footwear.
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[User Picture]From: sathanil
2007-12-21 10:12 am (UTC)
there is a fundamental difference in footwear.

lol.
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[User Picture]From: madame_corbeau
2007-12-21 06:15 pm (UTC)
... what she said. =P
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2008-01-25 01:09 am (UTC)
Oh, alas, I have not found my beloved footwear...*staples hand to forehead*
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From: iriacynthe
2007-12-21 11:57 am (UTC)
I only see a lot of criticism against gothic-metal and cybergoth, but I haven't really noticed people arguing about other types. But maybe that's just because the Flemish scene is incredibly small, we just can't afford splitting up in all sorts of sub-scenes.
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[User Picture]From: ladylucretia
2007-12-21 02:10 pm (UTC)
It seems that for most of us, we shall never exceed the cliquish mentality of most high school students.

Welcome to life. This is true for pretty much all groups of people, not just goths.
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From: beebusroo
2007-12-21 04:49 pm (UTC)
It seems that for most of us, we shall never exceed the cliquish mentality of most high school students.

That's very true. I find it a bit depressing myself. I've never quite figured out why people are so proud of being intolerant and exclusionary. As if it's some grand achievement to be a snob?
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From: catsandmorphine
2007-12-21 10:26 pm (UTC)
I love everyone! It's all the same to me - a style of dress and the music you listen to. I mean "goth" happens to be my PREFERRED music and style, but in the end it doesn't matter to me enough to determine the value of a person by what they are listening to or wearing.

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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2008-01-25 01:12 am (UTC)
Personally, I've never seen much of a difference. There were people I was similar to and people I was not similar to. My music tastes are heading back to the 80s and trying to head out to what's alive right in the here and now My style swings through several different types (some of it just plain bland), but I've only ever seen the differences as preferences. Like what shade of black (or jewel tone) someone wants to wear that day.

But yay for a new face.
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