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Essay Request Coming Through! [Oct. 10th, 2007|07:36 pm]
Gothology

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[shoindiematrix]
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I apologize if I'm doing anything wrong by posting this here. I'm in the process of writing a paper where I define 'goth'. I've been told to use two reliable sources, but that the points I discuss are all my ideas. Simply using the two sources to support my ideas, I guess. I'm hoping to write on:
  • music
  • fashion
I am also in need of a third point. Where I am struggling most is how to focus down those broad points into something manageable. I'm really in need of the help.

Most of all, the reliable sources are the stumbling blocks. Books, websites that are sure to be right, whatever could be given. I must say this, though. Wikipedia is not an option.

I thank all of you again, both for any help you might bring, as well as allowing me this space.

Cross-posted to  heirs2thethrone and shoindiematrix
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-11 01:05 am (UTC)
Aye, that would be a good one to explore. Do you have any advice on books or reliable sources of any sort that I might be able to use?
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[User Picture]From: smu
2007-10-11 02:06 am (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get to your IM, I was at work and I'm now heading for a nap. But some REALLY good books (and I mean educational, cultural anthropological books) about goth are:

The Dark Reign of Gothic Rock by Dave Thompson
Goth by Paul Hodkinson
Goth: Undead Subculture edited by Lauren M.E. Goodlad
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-11 02:26 am (UTC)
It's alright. I understand that work can take its toll.

Thank you for the book suggestions. It's strange and funny that you mention those three. I placed an order for the second two not 10 minutes before your comment.
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-11 05:19 pm (UTC)
I've heard a good deal about him, and I'm certainly keeping him in mind.
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[User Picture]From: spangle_kitten
2007-10-11 08:44 am (UTC)
It's pretty good, though based a lot more on the UK scene than generally.

I've actually had it since it came out and not read it yet! I got a bit bored and only bought it because I know Paul ;p
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-11 05:18 pm (UTC)
You know him?! O_O You know just about everyone, don't you?!
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[User Picture]From: spangle_kitten
2007-10-11 08:37 pm (UTC)
Yep, met him through Richard in Birmingham, then personally and better a few years back at an arty event at the Victoria and Albert museum.

He's a great chap :)

As a friend of mine said to Wayne Hussey at a Mission gig when I got backstage (and had a great chat with the keyboard player about mortgages...rocj and roll!) "Libby knows everybody...but he said it as if it was a rude way and I was not impressed!
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-12 03:14 am (UTC)
That is really quite amazing. I don't expect to ever know the folks personally, but just knowing you helps me feel a wee bit more cultured and connected to the past.
If I ever get the chance, I'd love to just sit back and get my brain in the present as well as the past. I keep reading and listening to groups and authors who I'll never meet. Gotta get that setup right. Well, that and I need to get back around to what my interest in books was, before I felt the floor drop out, when I finally felt 'at home', as it were.
That friend sounds like he deserves a swift backhand to the head. Heck, if I was in Europe and could fit the student role, I'd be honored just to know someone who's so connected to the past and the present.
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[User Picture]From: spangle_kitten
2007-10-12 09:19 am (UTC)
The bands and the people are just people at the end of the day, with thier own frailties, not anything too great. Pete Murphy is apparantly one of the most unpleasent people around.

I'd far rather know some of my real heroes personally, the people who have actually changed my life, people like the women that got us the vote, the writers that changed the world...

Though come to think of it my real heroes are the ones closer to home...my father, the councillor that brought me back to sanity, Glen...not some bloke in a band that I like!

I've met people, but they're just people, some are incredible people - like Dax for example who is so much more than her music - but most of the 'celebrities' I've come across are just rather up themselves! (Not Paul of course if he reads this ;)

Wayne Hussey thought my friend's comment was funny, and so did I, but Wayne was just a bit annoyed I'd forgotten to bring some flapjack.
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-12 07:50 pm (UTC)
Aye, I'll agree that they're just people, but I have that same feeling towards excellent craftworkers, or teachers, even some of my dead relatives.

Glen sounds like an all-around good guy, but I can see how some folks aren't so nice. I think it's not even fame that makes it. It's just in their minds. Yeah...I've heard Gaiman is nice, though.

Wayne wanted a pancake?
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[User Picture]From: spangle_kitten
2007-10-11 08:45 am (UTC)
Psst...make this a topic, it might get things going again...
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[User Picture]From: shoindiematrix
2007-10-11 05:15 pm (UTC)
Psst. I think I might just, to keep the confusion down.
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[User Picture]From: ellechero
2007-10-11 03:24 am (UTC)
If you want a third that's more about the literary aspects of it check out The Oxford Book of Gothic Tales. The author does a good job of breaking down the genre in the forward.
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From: catsandmorphine
2007-10-11 06:10 am (UTC)
Oooh I have to do one of those soon!

Two books I have are one called "The Goth Bible" by Nancy Kilpatrick and "Goth Chic" by Gavin Baddeley.

The first deals with your basics on what it is to "be" goth or whatever, but then has interviews/opinions from various goths around ze world yay! I'm not sure if it qualifies in the full on educational anthropological genre but it seems to go beneath the "goths listen to this" "goths wear this" information.

The second spells Siouxsie Sioux's name wrong! But besides that horrdendous atrocity it goes back into time to the movie/music/literature aspect and the elements that seemed to "lead up" to the current scene. For example black and white vampire movies!

I bought them for fun not any research purposes but I hope that helps!

Oh and there is also this site... http://www.gothicsubculture.com/


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